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stuff from this week of 911
0917_1_n.shtml Or simply read this link 14 September 2001
By no means Paranoid although widely varied stuff from friends. The week
of my 57 Th. birth day of Sept. 12 it is numerically indexed and randomly selected,
(sort of ) from 50 or more e-mails I received that day.I have added a statement on
Colonialism in Africa sent to me by one of the people I know named Lee.
"There are moments in history in which we must take sides (and)
we stand fully on the side of the Americans" Quote from an Italian
woman standing in front of the Vatican today Sept. 13 20001
Forget the predictions of a long dead Medchie flunkey with
his Phony "Psychic" interpretation of the Old Testament Check Out >
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Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:15:34 +0300
"They predicted a crime" fyi
The Lone Gunmen Timeline... version of the script for Unusual Suspects ...
crash into the World Trade Center Bert ... hit the building. Langly can ...
understands The Lone Gunman to be a ...
They predicted the attack on the W.T.C.
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EvergreenReview <evergreen@nyc.rr.com>
From: EvergreenReview <evergreen@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Our Humanity Is Still Here Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 From:
Barney Rosset
We have some sayings; We shall overcome, Our flag was still there ---
we,that part of humanity which has learned, with such great sacrifice,
to try and learn to accept all of us, to take the risk to encompass the
multi-splendored panoramas of all peoples, to allow the burgeoning
of such things as the right to speak out , no matter how unpopular
your thoughts might be, to take the terrible risk of letting all peoples
proclaim their beliefs, without fear of becoming outcasts, are we now
prepared to give this all up for the benefits of a police state which we
have fought all these years to avoid, because one vicious group
of money laden killers has tried to destroy the very values which we
claim to be part of us.
Can we not understand, even while we understandably protect ourselves,
that despite the good things we have done to help others, has also
resulted in the protracted poverty and misery of so many in the other
parts of our common planet and this part of our lives has made us the
prey of the monstrous, anti-human , wealth endowed creatures, who so
often with our complicity, have found us only too easy a target for revenge.
Now our President immediately gets 40 billion dollars more for the
defense of our country - and just for a moment, let us imagine how this
additional 40 billion might be used.
What if we set aside a part of it, to be used immediately to set up a
world park where the twin towers had been. What if we were to ask all
countries and peoples of the world to work with us , to contribute their
work, their people, their individual expertise, to come, now, right
away, to help rebuild the infrastructure necessary for daily life and
then go on to making a glorious site for the celebration of holiness on
earth. Instead of God Bless America, how about letting Humanity Bless
Humanity in all its Sacred Forms.
Instead of phallic fingers to the sky, have vistas of beauty to the sea,
put there by all of us, owned by all of us, a place for Americans to
show their pride and love for all of us. Would the bin Ladens of the
world attack that symbol, shielded by the earth and the ocean. Who
would celebrate a destruction of that. Let that place, lower Manhattan,
pay tender love for those who perished there in order that a new kind of
human consciousness could arise. Let such a place start immediately,
with the kind of self-sacrifice now being made by American workers
and doctors and engineers and police and military forces, people of
all callings and religions, men , women and children, calling upon their
peers from all over the world, to come and participate , to alleviate
our tragedy, to make what we have lost become a new found value,
to not forget those grieving families, to retain this wonderful always
newly generated ability to work together, to regroup and regenerate
new life.
Let us think of this out pouring of grief and love and generosity as
carving out the pathway for a humanity which can live side by side,
without destroying the very freedoms which it has created with such
bloodshed, because of the very weaknesses always lurking within
ourselves which we so detest to see from the outside.
Let a chance be given to a beautiful world site bordering the ocean,
singing a clear message, all are welcome. The bin Ladens will need
another target. Let us not provide them with more such symbols: twin
towers, pentagons, overgrown military installations, mountain hideouts
for the elite.
Intelligence can also reside in the soul, in the hearts of all humans.
Missile defense and bombs need not represent our highest
achievements.
If we can resist the siren call of the closed society, the walled in special
people, and reach out to the real future, a place of holiness for all, in all
places, a sharing of our bounties for the common good, not just for the
defense of the already empowered, but for all of us, then one can die,
believing that there is a truly holy future, and that what one has tried to
do and believe in can be passed on to that which we call humanity.
We do not need special dispensation from outside forces, but we can
gratefully accept help from others of compassionate beliefs. However
ultimately and eternally we need our own inner souls to rest intact.
Humanity, bless humanity.
Barney Rosset 
http://www.evergreenreview.com/ EvergreenReview <evergreen@nyc.rr.com>
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Subject: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:45:56 EDT From: Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001 12:33am
Subject: FW: Theory about Sept. 11
I have NEVER come to this list with a plea that you must read something. I do so now.
This retired Special Forces Master Sergeant, Stan Goff,
Special Forces Master Sergeant, Stan Goff, Has got it ALL figured out.
" I agree with his analyses completely and was just starting to write my own
oil piece. Please,for the love of freedom and our future, read the following essay. Now!"
Mike Ruppert "From The Wilderness" www.copvcia.com
Subject: FW: Theory about Sept. 11 Another interesting article. A couple of years ago
Stan Goff wrote in the Raleigh NC paper about his experiences in Colombia.
Well, I don't know how new it is, it's the first I've seen it... I'm very resistant
to conspiracy theories, but there are aspects of this one that I find compelling.
Also, if you read down to the end, even though it's rather long, the discussion
of the attack already begun on socialist and anti-globalization groups is worth reading.
I'm a retired Special Forces Master Sergeant. That doesn't cut much for those
who will only accept the opinions of former officers on military matters, since
we enlisted swine are assumed to be incapable of grasping the nuances of doctrine.
But I wasn't just in the army, I studied and taught military science and doctrine. I was a tactics instructor at the Jungle Operations Training Center in Panama, and I taught Military Science at West Point.
And contrary to the popular image of what Special Forces does, SF's mission is to teach. We offer
advice and assistance to foreign forces. That's everything from teaching marksmanship to a private to instructing a Battalion staff on how to coordinate effective air operations with a sister service.
Based on that experience, and operations in eight designated conflict areas from Vietnam to Haiti,
I have to say that the story we hear on the news and read in the newspapers is simply not believable.
The most cursory glance at the verifiable facts, before, during, and after September 11th, does not support the official line or conform to the current actions of the United States government.
But the official line only works if they can get everyone to accept its underlying premises. I'm not
at all surprised about the Republican and Democratic Parties repeating these premises.They are simply two factions within a single dominant political class, and both are financed by the same economic powerhouses.
My biggest disappointment, as someone who identifies himself with the left,
has been the tacit acceptance of those premises by others on the left, sometimes
naively, and sometimes to score some morality points.
Those premises are twofold. One, there is the premise that what this de facto administration is doing now is a "response" to September 11th. Two, there is the premise that this attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon was done by people based in Afghanistan. In my opinion, neither of these is sound.
To put this in perspective we have to go back not to September 11th, but to
last year or further.
A man of limited intelligence, George W. Bush, with nothing more than his
name and the behind-the-scenes pressure of his powerful father-a former
President, ex-director of Central Intelligence, and an oil man-is systematically
constructed as a candidate, at tremendous cost. Across the country, subtle and
not-so-subtle mechanisms are put into place to disfranchise a significant fraction of the Democrat's African-American voter base.
This doesn't come out until Florida becomes a battleground for Electoral College votes, and the magnitude of the story has been suppressed by the corporate media to this day. In a decision so lacking in legitimacy, the Supreme Court will neither by-line the author of the decision nor allow
the decision to ever be used as a precedent, Bush v. Gore awards the presidency of the United States to a man who loses the popular vote in Florida and loses the national popular vote by over 600,000.
This de facto regime then organizes a very interesting cabinet. The Vice
President is an oil executive and the former Secretary of Defense. The
National Security Advisor is a director on the board of a transnational
oil corporation and a Russia scholar. The Secretary of State is a man
with no diplomatic experience whatsoever, and the former Chair of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff. The other interesting appointment is Donald
Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Rumsfeld is the former CEO of
Searle Pharmaceuticals.
He and Cheney were featured as speakers at the May, 2000, Russian- American Business Leaders Forum. So the consistent currents in this cabinet are petroleum, the former Soviet Union, and the military.
Based on the record of Daddy Bush, in all his guises, and the general trajectory of US foreign policy
as far back as the Carter Administration, I feel I can reasonably conclude that Middle Eastern and South Asian fossil fuels are one of their major preoccupations. Not just because this klavern has some very direct financial interests in fossil fuel, but because they surely know that worldwide oil production is peaking as we speak, and will soon begin a permanent and precipitous decline that will completely change the character of civilization as we know it within 20 years.
Even the left seems to be in deep denial about this, but the math is available.
And, no, alternative energies and energy technologies wil not save us. All the alternatives in the world can not begin to provide more than a tiny fraction of
the energy base now provided by oil.
This makes it more than a resource, and the drive to control what's left more than an economic competition.
I further conclude that the economic colonization of the former Soviet Union is probably high on that agenda, and in fact has a powerful synergy with the issue of petroleum. Russia not only holds vast untapped resources that beckon to imperialism in crisis, it remains a credible military and nuclear challenger in the region.
We have not one, but three members of the Bush de facto cabinet with military credentials, which makes the cabinet look quite a lot like a military General Staff. All this way before September 11th.
Then there's the subject of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. NATO might have expected consignment to the dustbin of the Cold War after the Eastern Bloc shattered in 1991. Peace dividend and all that. But it didn't.
It expanded directly into the former states of the Eastern Bloc toward the former Soviet Union,and contributed significant forces to the devastation of Iraq-a key country in the world oil market, over which control translates into the ability to manipulate oil prices.
NATO is a military formation, and the United States exerts the controlling interest in it. It seemed like a form without a function, but it remedied that pretty quickly.
Then when Yugoslavia refused to play ball with the International Monetary Fund, the US and Germany began a systematic campaign of destabilization there, even using some of the veterans of Afghanistan in that campaign.
NATO became the military arm of that agenda-the break-up of Yugoslavia into compliant statelets, the further containment of the former Soviet Union,and the future pipeline easement for Caspain Sea oil to Western European markets through Kosovo.
You see, this is important to understand, and people-even those against the war talk-are tending to overlook the significance of it. NATO is not a guarantor of international law, and it is not a humanitarian organization. It is a military alliance with one very dominant partner. And it can no longer claim to be a defensive alliance against European socialists. It is an instrument of military aggression.
NATO is the organization that is now going to thrust further along the 40th parallel from the Balkans through the Southern Asian Republics of the former Soviet Union. The US military has already taken control of a base in Uzbekistan. No one is talking about how what we are doing seems to be a very logical extension of a strategy that was already in motion, and has beenin motion for two decades. Once we recognize the pattern of activity designed to simultaneously consolidate control over Middle Eastern and South Asian oil, and contain and colonize the former Soviet Union, Afghanistan is exactly
where they need to go to pursue that agenda.
Afghanistan borders Iran, India, and even China but, more importantly,the Central Asian Republics of the former Soviet Union, Uzbekistan,Turkmenistan and Tajikistan. These border Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan borders Russia. Turkmenistan sits on the Southeastern quadrant of the Caspian Sea, whose oil the Bush Administration dearly covets. Afghanistan is necessary for two things: as a base of operations to begin the process of destabilizing, breaking off, and establishing control over the South Asian Republics,which will begin within the next 18-24 months in my opinion, and constructing a pipeline through Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and Pakistan to deliver petroleum to the Asian market.
The BBC was recently told by Niaz Naik, a Pakistani Foreign Secretary, that senior American officials were warning them as early as mid-July that military action for mid-October was being planned for Afghanistan.
In 1996,the Department of Energy was issuing reports on the desirability of a pipeline through Afghanistan, and in 1998, Unocal testified before the House Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific that this pipeline was crucial to transport Caspian Basin oil to the Indian Ocean.
Given this evidence that a military operation to secure at least a portion of Afghanistan has been on the table, possibly as early as five years ago,I can't help but conclude that the actions we are seeing put into motion now are part of a pre-September 11th agenda.
I'm absolutelysure of that, in fact. The planning alone for operations, of this scale,that are now taking shape, would take many months. And we are seeing them take shape in mere weeks.
It defies common sense. This administration is lying about this whole thing being a "reaction"
to September 11th. That leads me, in short order, to be very suspicious of their yet-to-be-provided evidence that someone in Afghanistan is responsible. It's just too damn convenient. Which also leads me to wonder-just for the sake of knowing-what actually did happen on September 11th, and who actually is responsible.
The so-called evidence is a farce. The US presented Tony Blair's puppet government with the evidence, and of the 70 so-called points of evidence, only nine even referred to the attacks on the World Trade Center, and those points were conjectural. This is a bullshit story from beginning to end.
Presented with the available facts, any 16-year old with a liking for courtroom dramas could tear this story apart like a two-dollar shirt.
But our corporate press regurgitates it uncritically.
But then, as we should know by now, their role is to legitimize.
This cartoon heavy they've turned bin Laden into makes no sense, when you begin to appreciate
the complexity and synchronicity of the attacks.
As a former military person who's been involved in the development of countless operations orders over the years, I can tell you that this wasa very sophisticated and costly enterprise that would have left what we call a huge "signature".
In other words, it would be very hard to effectively conceal.
So there's a real question about why there was no warning of this.
That can be a question about the efficacy of the government's intelligence apparatus. That can be a question about various policies in the various agencies that had to be duped to orchestrate this action.
And it can also be a question about whether or not there was foreknowledge of the event, and that foreknowledge is being covered up. To dismiss this concern out of hand as the rantings of conspiracy nuts is premature. And there is a history of this kind of thing being done by national political bosses, including the darling of liberals, Franklin Roosevelt.
Franklin Roosevelt. The evidence is very compelling that the Roosevelt Administration deliberately failed to act to stop Pearl Harbor in order to mobilize enough national anger to enter the World War II.
I have no idea why people aren't asking some very specific questions about the actions of Bush and company on the day of the attacks. Follow along: Four planes get hijacked and deviate from their flight plans, all the while on FAA radar.
The planes are all hijacked between 7:45 and 8:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time .
Who is notified?back
This is an event already that is unprecedented. But the President is not notified and going to a Florida elementary school to hear children read.
By around 8:15 AM, it should be very apparent that something is terribly wrong. The President is glad-handing teachers.
By 8:45, when American Airlines Flight 11 crashes into the World Trade Center, Bush is settling in with children for his photo ops at Booker Elementary. Four planes have obviously been hijacked simultaneously, an event never before seen in history, and one has just dived into the worlds best know twin towers, and still no one notifies the nominal Commander in Chief.
No one has apparently scrambled any Air Force interceptors either.
At 9:03, United Flight 175 crashes into the remaining World Trade Center building. At 9:05, Andrew Card, the Presidential Chief of Staff whispers to George W. Bush. Bush "briefly turns somber" according to reporters.
Does he cancel the school visit and convene an emergency meeting?
No.
He resumes listening to second graders read about a little girl's pet fucking goat, and continues this banality even as American Airlines Flight 77 conducts an unscheduled point turn over Ohio and heads in the direction of Washington DC.
Has he instructed Chief of Staff Card to scramble the Air Force? No.
An excruciating 25 minutes later, he finally deigns to give a public statement telling the United States what they already have figured out; that there's been an attack by hijacked planes on the World Trade Center.
There's a hijacked plane bee-lining to Washington, but has the Air Force been scrambled to defend anything yet? No.
At 9:30, when he makes his announcement,
American Flight 77 is still ten minutes from
its target, the Pentagon.
The Administration will later claim they had no way of knowing that the Pentagon might be a target, and that they thought Flight 77 was headed to the White House, but the fact is that the plane has already flown South and past the White House no-fly zone, and is in fact tearing through the sky at over 400 nauts.
At 9:35, this plane conducts another turn, 360 degrees over the Pentagon, all the while being tracked by radar, and the Pentagon is not evacuated, and there are still no fast-movers from the Air Force in the sky over Alexandria and DC.
Now, the real kicker. A pilot they want us to believe was trained at a Florida puddle-jumper school for Piper Cubs and Cessnas, conducts a well-controlled downward spiral, descending the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a - half minutes, brings the plane in so low and flat that it clips the electrical wires across the street from the Pentagon, and flies it with pinpoint accuracy into the side of this building at 460 nauts.
When the theory about learning to fly this well at the puddle-jumper school began to lose ground, it was added that they received further training on a flight simulator.
This is like saying you prepared your teenager for her first drive on I- 40 at rush hour by
buying her a video driving game. It's horse shit!
There is a story being constructed about these events. My crystal ball is not working today,
so I can't say why. But at the least, this so-called Commander-in-Chief and his staff that
we are all supposed to follow blindly into some ill-defined war on terrorism is criminally
negligent or unspeakably stupid. And at the worst, if more is known or was known, and
there is an effort to conceal the facts, there is a criminal conspiracy going on.
Certainly, the Bush de facto administration was facing a confluence of crises from which they were temporarily rescued by this event. Whether they played a sinister role or not, there is little doubt that they have at the very least opportunistically pounced on this attack to overcome their lack of legitimacy, to shift the blame for the encroaching recession from capitalism to the September 11th terror attack, to legitimize their pre-existing foreign policy agenda, and to establish and consolidate repressive measures domestically and silence dissent.
In many ways, September 11th pulled the Bush cookies out of the fire.
And given them the green light to begin constructing a long-term scenario within which to establish fascistic control measures at home and abroad as a citadel for the ruling class in the catastrophic conjuncture that we are entering based on the end of oil.
This elephant in the living room is being studiously ignored.
In fact,the domestic repression has already begun, officially and unofficially. It's kind of a latter day McCarthyism.
I participated in a teach-in at Chapel Hill, North Carolina, on the
17th of September, and though not a single person on the panel excused or justified the attacks, and every person there offered either condolences and prayers for the victims, we were excoriated within two days as "enemies of America."
Yesterday an op-ed called for my deportation
(to where, one can only guess) . Now Herr Ashcroft is fast tracking the biggest abrogation of US civil liberties since the so-called anti-terrorism legislation after the Oklahoma City bombing-which by the way hasn't
resulted in anti-terrorism but in the acceleration of the application of the racist death penalty.The FBI has defined terrorist groups not by whether any given group has ever acted
as terrorists, but by their beliefs.
Some socialists and! ! anti-globalization groups
have already been identified by name as terrorist groups, even though there is not a single shred of evidence that they have ever participated in any
criminal activity.
It reminds me of the Smith Act that was finally declared unconstitutional, but only after a hell of
a lot of people served a hell of a long time in jail
for the crime of thinking.
I think this also points to yet another huge problems that the Bush regime was facing. Worldwide resistance to the whole so-called neoliberal agenda, which is a prettied up term for debt-leverage imperialism. While debt and the threat of sanctions has been used to coerce nations in the periphery, we have to understand that the final guarantor of compliance remains military action.
For a global economic agenda, there is always a corresponding political and military agenda.
The focal point of these actions in the short term is Southern Asia, but they have already scripted this as a worldwide and protracted fight against terrorism. It's far better than drug wars as a rationalization, and the drug
war thing was being discredited in any case. Leftists are regaining power
and popularity in Venezuela,El Salvador, Nicaragua, Ecuador, Colombia,
the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Brazil, and Argentina.
Cuba has gained immense prestige over the last few years. The empire is beginning to unravel. We can hardly justify intervention in these places by saying they are not towing the economic line by allowing the absolute domination of their societies by transnational corporations. That exposes the agenda. So we simply claim they are supporting terrorism.
It's for all these reasons I say the left has missed the boat on this one, by allowing them to get away with rushing past the question of who did what on September 11th. If the official story is a lie, and I think the circumstantial case is strong enough to stay with this question, then we really do need to know what happened. And we need to understand concretely what the motives of this administration are.
And we need to understand more than just their immediate motives, but where the larger social forces that underwrite our situation right now are headed. I do not think this administration is engaged in the deliberative process of a political grouping that is on top of their game. They are putting together some very deliberative technical solutions in response to a larger situation that it slipping rapidly out of their control. Like clear cutting.
There's a very smart technology being employed to do a very dumb thing.What they are responding to is not September 11th, but the beginning of a permanent and precipitous decline in worldwide oil production, the beginning of a deep and protracted worldwide recession, and the unraveling of the
empire.
This brings me to a point about what all this means for Americans' security, which they are perfectly justified to worry about. The actions being prepared by this administration will not only not enhance our security, it will significantly degrade it. Military action against many groups across the globe, which is what the administration is telling us quite openly they are planning to do, will put a lot of backs against the wall.
That can't be very secure.
The concept of war being touted here is a violation of the principles of war on several counts, and will inevitably lead to military catastrophes, if you're inclined to view this from a position of moral and political neutrality.
And the people who are now in possession of half the world's remaining oil reserves are subject to destabilization for which we can't even pretend to predict the consequences-but loss of access to critical energy supplies is certainly within the realm of possibility. Worst of all, we will be destabilizing Pakistan, a nuclear power in an active conflict with its neighbor, and we will be provoking Russia, another nuclear power. The security stakes don't get any higher, and Americans can ill afford to ignore nukes.
And I think that this domestic agenda is a tremendous threat to the security of anyone who is critical of the government or their corporate financiers, and we already know that the real threats are against populations that can easily be scapegoated as the domestic crisis deepens. There is a very real threat right now of creeping fascism in this country, and that phenomenon requires its domestic enemies. Historically those enemies have included leftists, trade unionists, and racially and nationally oppressed sectors.
This whole "state of emergency" mentality is already being used to quiet the public discourses of anti-racism, of feminism, of environmentalism, and of both socialism and anarchism. And while there is token resistance by officials to anti-Muslim xenophobia, the stereotypical images have saturated the media, and the government is already beginning to openly re-instate racial profiling. It is only a short step from there to go after other groups. We have long been prepared by the ideologies of overt and covert racism, and racism as both institution and corresponding psychology in the United States is nearly intractable.
It's for all these reason, I say emphatically that we can not acceptanything from this administration; not their policies nor their bullshit stories.
What they are doing is very, very dangerous, and the time to fight back against them, openly, is right now,before they can consolidate their power and their agenda. Once they have done that, our job becomes much more difficult.
The left, if it has the capacity to self-organize out of its oblivion, needs to understand its critical roles here. We have to play the role of credible, hard-working, and non-sectarian partners in a broader peace-movement. We have to study, synthesize, and describe our current historical conjuncture.
And we have to prepare leadership for the decisive conflict that will emerge to first defeat fascism then take political power.
Rosa Luxemburg's words are truer than ever right now. We are not faced with a choice between socialism and capitalism, but socialism or barbarism. And what we can least afford are denial and timidity.
Stan Goff
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Dear Friends,
The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim is an
Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant people I
know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I listen. Here
is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in.G
...............
Dear Friends and Neighbors( and whoever else is on this email thread: )
I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens,
on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage.
What else can we do?"
Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there.
So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.
I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no
doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in
New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.
But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the
government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics
who took over Afghanistan in 1997.
Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban,think Nazis. When you think
Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan"think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take
out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country.
Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food.
There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets.
These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.
We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already.
Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses?
Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done.
Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late.
Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs.
Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan,only the Taliban eat, only
they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get
some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs.
But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who
did this horrific thing.
Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the
people they've been raping all this time.
So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling.
The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of "having
the belly to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many
as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people.
Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigge than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first.
Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and the West.
And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the west.
It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got
a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view.
He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the
war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours.
Who has the belly for that?
Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
Tamim Ansary
The master race ...Yeah right ! WHIPP IT B ABY!
ARISTOTLE AND HIS BIMBO PLAY HORSEY .
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.Nerve chip goes live First nerve cell-silicon microchip built.
28 August 2001 HELEN PEARSON "It has a touch of science fiction," admit the scientists who have wired up
the first conducting nerve chip. The electronic circuit,
grown from silicon and nerve cells, brings brain-repair chips,
advanced biosensors and biological computers a small
step towards reality. 'Neuroelectronics' combines nerve
cells and microchips.It could one day lead to 'neuroprosthetic'
implants replacing damaged nervous tissue, and advanced
computers mimicking living, learning circuit
click this ^ V clich that
the true nature of things is always deceptive
The psychology and development http://www.abelard.org/hitler/hitler.htm
of Adolph Hitler Schicklgruber
The following are some of the other e-mails I have received#1Forward :
This is something I wrote. If you think it's good, please copy and send it around.
DJ
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Check this out:
We pick up bin Laden and keep him ALIVE Before you flame me, hear me out:
One thing Americans don't understand is that these losers DON'T CARE if they die. In fact, they WANT to -- they
believe there are divine prostitutes waiting for them in heaven if they kill infidels (this is true - I did not make it up).
But if we were to lock up Osama for the rest of his life, he would be like Rudolf Hess, the ex-Nazi who was only
prisoner in the jail, until he died in his 90's. Think about it -- if we kill bin Laden, we all know there will be some
other yahoo next in line who is horny for a heavenly babe.
On the other hand, if he lock him up for life, he would be like Sirhan Sirhan (another bloodthirsty Muslim, who killed
Robert Kennedy for his support of Israel). He is now in his 50's, and every few years he goes before the parole
board to say "I'm really sorry -- PLEASE let me out," and they always say no, when you were sentenced to "life in
prison," that was for real; you are never leaving here alive . Even after he's dead, they might bury him on prison
grounds.
Now imagine bin Laden in that position. Kind of sounds good, doesn't it? It will blow his mind when he realizes his
fate; that he is doomed to an empty life in a box-like cell (remember, this is a man who's been a nomad for much of
his life). No followers, no company, no celestial booty.
He will learn that A CIVILIZED COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE TO MURDER TO MAKE ITS POINT.
I know all the Christians will support me, because they worship the Prince of Peace, who said the most important
thing is love.
DON'T LET OSAMA BECOME A MARTYR FOR HIS FAITH. Force him to live a long, lonely life of shame.
Very few will want to follow in those footsteps.
# 2This came to me stating :
A friend & neighbor of my brother, Liz G., who is a writer, sent this
letter to him:
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:01 AM
Subject: Letter from New York City
Dear Ones -
It's the middle of the night here in New York, a city which doesn't generally sleep even under the best
of circumstances and which is certainly lying awake tonight. I have walked and ridden my bike around
the city today.
I have seen both rivers, which are still there. I have seen the hollow mushroom cloud where the longest
arms of my city's beautiful skyline once reached to the clouds. I have seen the stunned crowds on the
streets at 10:30 AM and the erie emptiness at 10:30 PM. The city is quiet now except for the sirens
from the tireless emergency vehicles. But the city is still here. That's primarily what I want to tell you
tonight. We are still here
--
horrified and stunned and shaken -- but still here.
I've been thinking today about a joke I heard a New York comic deliver years ago, after the first
World Trade Center bombing. He said, "These terrorist tried to blow up the World Trade Center
beacuse they wanted to send a shock wave through New Yorkers. Hell, that's not how to send a
shock wave through New Yorkers -- we walk around expecting stuff like that to happen half time
anyhow. If you really wanna send a shock wave through New Yorkers, come to our city in the
middle of the night and finish up all the construction work on the Queensborough Bridge -- that'll
shock us, for real." Gallows humor, yes, but there is something to it. Namely, that even in the
midst of this unspeakable tragedy, New Yorkers still insist on being...New Yorkers. An endless
crowd of busy, bossy, thoroughly engaged, sarcastic but somehow holy wisecrakers. Which means
that the life force does not stop, refuses to stop,cannot stop. The homeless are still out there tonight,
picking up spent cigarettes off the street and jonesing for a cup of coffee. The subways and busses
have inched back to life. Young recruits from the Police Academy -- dressed in their grey almost-cop
uniforms -- stand in every intersection, keeping traffic organized and reminding the dazed civilians who
sometimes simply stop moving in the crosswalks that the laws of gravity and physics don't stop just because
of an appalling act of terrorism, so move it along, people. Storefronts are closed everywhere, but not universally --
there seems to be one deli and one pizza joint open on every block, and these places have become shelters
and churches, where people come to find both food and comfort. The real churches are still open, too. I met a
doorman from Queens tonight who had been guarding his building since 7AM.
It was almost midnight, and he was bleary-eyed and weary and nobody was coming in to take his post, but
he refused to abandon his building. "Seventy-six apartments in there," he said, gesturing behind him. "I'm not
letting down my guard. No van or truck is parking in front of this building tonight, I'll tell you that. I don't care if I
have to go after someone with a baseball bat -- nobody's messin' with this building." I felt safer somehow knowing
that this one piece of New York was in his hands.
A man on his cellphone, complaining to a friend as he walked down the street, gave those around him the first
smile of the day with this line:"Damn! Last week my wife was tryin' to kill me, now the A-rabs are tryin' to get me.
" He seemed equally unthreatened by both. And here's the oddly most comforting assurance that business continues
as usual in New York tonight.
I locked my bike up to a parking sign for an hour this evening and came back to find that someone had stolen my
back tire. See? See how we ALL -- even the pettiest little theives among us -- insist on perservering, even in the face
of tragedy? I swear, I found inspiration in even that. The city cannot shut down, you see, anymore than life itself can
shut down. As long as we live, we move. And that movement is our deepest salvation and greatest healing.
I went to give blood today at Bellview hospital and found they had more volunteers than they needed. A line of people
four-deep wrapped around the block. It was the same thing at every hospital in the city. Crowds of people of every age
and nationality patiently waiting for the chance to give up their very blood to help save lives. The radio in the pizza place
tonight said there were too many people down at the site of the collapse -- every volunteer fireman within 100 miles, all
trying to help. They are turning people away, but we still show up because we want to help. We are all trying to help. I \
passed a massive triage center today that had been set up on the Hudson River. A vast assemblage of ambulances
were lined up outside, still and waiting, and there were medical personal everywhere. But only medical personal. Nobody
in need of treatment was to be seen anywhere. A young doctor with tired eyes told me, "There are hundreds of doctors here, but no patients. We've been here all day, ready to help, but they just aren't finding survivors down there. Everybody's gone. All gone."
Gone, but not completely vanished. The mushroom cloud that covers the southern tip of my city? That's where all the people are. The countless thousands of them. Their lives and their souls and their dreams are hovering above us in a white cloud of dust, which was very difficult to distinguish this afternoon from all the other fluffy white clouds in the beautiful blue sky. Exactly the same color, exactly the same shape. Just a little bigger and a little closer to earth than
the other clouds. A little closer to us.
There has been a gentle southward breeze all day, taking it all out to sea.The air smelled like autumn tonight for the
first time.
It is late now, almost dawn, and I should go to sleep. I don't know what more I can do tonight except what I have done
all day -- continue to believe in God, continue to believe in New York City and to steadfastly refuse to hate. Something unthinkable has happened here to our humanity, but all I saw on the streets today was calm, compassion, perserverance and resolve. What I will try to remember most from September 11, 2001 is this moment. I was in line to give blood. Someone from the hospital came out and made a loud request that anyone with O-positive or O-negative blood would please step forward. "We need your blood," said the nurse. "We need you." The message shot back through the crowd and the masses stirred and from within the ranks of us emerged these universal donors. One at a time they pushed forward -- a young black man, a professional-looking Asian woman, an old man in a yarmulke, some hispanic students,
a city bus driver, etc. With reverance, we all parted to let them pass. They seemed for that moment to be the most
important people in New York City. They shared nothing in common with one another except the same blood. A blood that can save any life because it does not discriminate. A universal blood. What runs through their veins is our best
and only hope. God bless them.
Please pray for peace.
I love you all,
Liz
# 3 Editors Note : Generally I don't forward any Nasteadumus Carppola ( its really a grate steaming
heap of BS in any version or "translation" ) yet beside the asinine nature akin to astrology and
the Patented Real TV Psychic or the Miz. Cleo Grotesque Bombast and the simple minded nature
that attempts of explain the randomness of fate it will be a brief distraction from the day's pain
and stench of burned human flesh ...
o: henry
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:15 PM
Henry, I found this. YS
Peter Lemesurier, who wrote the authoritative book
Nostradamus In The 21st Century (Piatkus Books),
is furious about the twisting of the words of the
celebrated French mystic. He says: "It's a disgrace.
It always happens when people want Nostradamus
to have predicted the latest event; they either take a
quatrain from a corrupt edition of his work or a bad
translation or invent a new verse entirely of their
own."
However, two of Nostradamus’s verses do have an
air of prophecy about them
Latitude 45 the skies afire:
to greater villeneuve shall the fire draw nigh.
With vehemence the flames shall spread yet higher
when with the North conclusions they shall try.
(VI.97)
Garden of the world near the new city
on the road to the hollowed out mountain,
he shall be seized and plunged in the vat,
forced to drink sulphurous poisonous waters. (X:49)
# 4Forward: Subject: an invitation with a message
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:00:10 -0400
From: James <xjam212@netscape.net>
To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear Friends,
Initially after Tuesday's events I realized that I might have to cancel
the exhibition and reception that I've been planning for months now.
The date was set for September 22nd.
I will not postpone or cancel.
My reason is this! Terrorism is meant to destroy the basic sense of
normalicy. It tries to disrupt. It wants to make us feel weak, scared.
Many of you may not know this, the first time they bombed The Towers
there was a secondary device. It was a cyanide canister that was set to
go off several minutes after the initial blast. The purpose was to make
a horrible scene more frightening. They wanted news choppers to show
us those who make us safe (rescue workers) falling dead as they arrived.
It was placed too close to the main explosive and so failed - being burnt
up in the heat of that initial blast.
This time they did accomplish the murder of Police, Firefighters, and
Medics as well as thousands of New Yorkers. I believe that there is not
a person who feels a tremendous personal effect by this action. I am as
outraged as every freedom loving citizen is. As many of you know I am
myself a New York City Firefighter as well as an artist, and I have lost
friends. Make no mistake, my choice to have this exhibition on the date
planned is out of a strong convition.
As of now each of us, I believe can resist their goals, by going to
work, by seeing friends, going to the gym, by doing what we would
normally be doing as much as possible. If we show that they haven't been
able to affect us as much as they want, then their power over us is
diminished. I hope we can show them that we are not broken, we will not
bend to their attempt to frighten us out of our way of life. Continuing
with normality as a symbol of defiance isn't the same thing as ignoring
or denying the tragedy. We cannot let the terrorists have our hearts,
souls, and dreams.
I will stop now and invite you to an exhibition of my artwork.
The Date: September 22, 2001
The Time: 5pm - 9pm
46-44 11th Street,
Long Island City,
NY 11101
1.718.937.3080
The Website: http://home.nyc.rr.com/jmurray4
#5Forward:
Subject: A chance to share your thoughts
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:40:56 EDT
From: Eartheater2000@aol.com
To:undisclosed-recipients:;
Three days have passed since the attack that destroyed the World Trade Center
and damaged the Pentagon. I feel shocked by the attack, and deeply saddened
about the lives that have been taken or ruined. It has been an emotional
rollercoaster.
I’ve decided that there is one small thing I want to do to help. I would
like to invite anyone so inclined to write a letter to Ghent magazine about
their experiences during the attack and its aftermath. Where you were when
the first plane hit? How did you find out about it? Where did you go? What
did you see? Who did you talk to? How did you feel? What are your thoughts
about the attack in general, its roots, the media coverage and the impact of
that coverage, and where you think we go from here as a city and as a country?
If you have already written on these topics — e-mails, for example — to
friends or relatives, feel free to forward those e-mails to Ghent. You can
e-mail them to eartheater2000@aol.com. Feel free to forward this e-mail.
Why solicit these e-mails or letters?
Two reasons:
1) A disaster like this can generate a mix of emotions; shock, grief, anger
in turn or simultaneously. Writing is a useful way to sort through these
feelings.
2) The more space there is in the public sphere for people to describe their
experiences and feelings, the better.
Not all submissions will be published, but at the very least they will be
read and responded to.
I hope this e-mail finds you all in good health, and I hope this is the worst
disaster any of us will ever experience.
Sincerely,
Stephen Kosloff Editor
Ghent Magazine
# 6Forward :
Part 2
>Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: Lift your spirits America
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:13:44 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
> I would just like to give some additional information about the Canadian editorial that you
recently received. I think the background story on this is quite interesting and that it is important to
provide historical context for some of the statements in the speech (draft-dodging, etc...). Also,
knowing the full context of the speech shows that pro- and anti-American sentiments in the world
have developed over many, many years.
>According to the Canadian Communications Foundation: On June 5, 1973, Canadian radio
commentator Gordon Sinclair decided he'd had enough of the unrelenting criticism directed against
the United States from seemingly all quarters -- primarily foreign journalists.
>
>Most of the bad press centered on America's involvement in Vietnam, recently ended by the Paris
Peace Accords. The war's end had resulted in a worldwide sell-off of American investments,
share prices tumbled, the US economy was in trouble. At home and abroad, it seemed everyone
was lambasting the United States.
>
>But Sinclair wasn't going to put up with the vitriol any longer.
>Arriving at the studios of Toronto radio station CFRB that morning, he took 20 minutes to dash off
a two-page editorial which he delivered in a defiant, indignant tone during his regular 11:45 AM
broadcast.
"The Americans" was originally broadcast
June 5, 1973.
>
>It was made into a record with all proceeds to go to the American Red Cross. (An unauthorized
record by another broadcaster was made first, but legal action on copyright infringement was