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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 02:05:27 -0800 From: clayton w munsey
Not Si-Fi
Some say its hoplessly hoakey but I included The Venus project is beautifully presented.
its lots of fun seeing the human ego at its best
*************************** NEXT MORE ON THIS !!
2 miles thick with 1 mile deep cracks called fissures its history is our
history too ..
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If you think war, terrorism and man made problems like weapons drugs & oil are serious problems get
over it nothing can compare to the potential coming global Earth changes that may flood most of the earth
effecting all population's with 200 foot tides for the next 20,000 years.
And you thought radio active waist was "the big secret" accident waiting to happen. Forgedaboutit!! Nothing
short of a new paradigm regarding our use of resources and global cooperating on an unprecedented scale
will produce anything like a survivable world.
Check it out for your self read between the lines try to visualize the reality and what it means. Let go of
politics race religion and any thing you think you already know about the "big picture" all history is a lie
in time, there can be a world that is unified by the common struggle to be prepared to live together on
the earth in peace and common sense or continue the descent into chaos and defeatism of war and greed.
++++ all of this was pree 911++++
XYZXYZ wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: XYZXYZ
To: XYZXYZ
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Wow ! Under Antarctica, Clues to an Icecap's Fate
might be the actual end of all human life ...
Thanks XYZXYZ.
It was grate talking with you such a positive energy... Wow !
Clearing the desk and gearing up I need at least a week ...
Preparing for the 18th ... etc .
Be well please keep in touch ....
That radio x ray satellite or one like it ( by NASA Landsat ) is in
one scenario responsible for the closing down of the cold war... It sees
atomic subs under Polar ice & Beer cans in the deepest ocean trench ...
Some 3 Card Mountie action ...
A very simple B/W image on the cover of Science mag 8 or 10 years ago
with a follow up apology to that DOD the following month regarding any
breach of security concerns ..
Oops !
Be well
XYZXYZ
111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
__________________________________________
Dear XYZXYZ,
We seem to be on the same wavelength.
A review of my files has turned up a couple of reasonable
technnologies that have the capability of creating very large, floating
foundations which, in aggregate, have the capabilities of:
a: being infinitely expandable
b. remaining stable, even in high seas (immune to wave motion)
c. responding to short and long-term changes in water depth (due
to tides, ice deposition from the East and or/West Antactica
depositions of ice or other major sources of such changes.)
These foundations can be used as bases upon which a series of
individual buildings can be constructed within an extended time frame
The technologies referenced provide four useful functions:
1. A means for establishing a peripheral barrier that can serve
effectively as a 360 degree breakwater that can function during,
before or after water level changes.
2. A means for establishing a stable platform from which
appropriate buoys and weights can be launched for the activation of
mechanisms for generating electrical power from wave action.
3. A means for fabricating large, rigid platforms that can be
used as individual building foundations.
4. A means for supporting those platforms so that they will
remain planar..i.e. will not impart any twisting moments to structures
erected upon them
I'm clearly interested in your project. Do let me know how, if
and when I can help and what
basis for my participation you may have in mind.
Regards,
XYZXYZ
222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222
__________________________________________
XYZXYZ wrote:
Dear XYZXYZ,
An interesting conversation this evening that I look forward to
continuing.
Your remarks about Antarctica raised my curiosity. Found an article
in the NY Times: October 16,1999 that rounds out your thesis in disturbing detail.
If you haven't already put in in your files, you can download it from
The phrases that really surprised and disturbed me most:
"Geothermal and volcanic heating as well as atmospheric warming apparently
maintain a layer of liquid water and mud between the ice sheet and underlying
rock, allowing the ice to slide fairly freely ( The
italics are mine).
While XYZXYZ's remark about a city floating in the air sounded
funny, I seem to recall that Bucky Fuller actually proposed that such a structure
of great enough size and covered by an appropriate transparent membrane could
indeed be supported by atmospheric pressure since the greenhouse effect would
provide a net displacement of ambient air by the solar-heated atmosphere beneath
that membrane.
Do keep me posted.
Regards,
XYZXYZ
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
__________________________________________
XYZXYZ wrote:
Dear XYZXYZ,
Fascinating Stuff on this new light-weight carbon material. My
three year old grandson
and I have been having fun playing with the wonderful animated
models on Soda.
The Venus project is beautifully presented.
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
I was much involved with another intentional community program back
in the early sixties.
I was living in ( XYZXYZ.) XYZXYZ appeared on BBC one evening and
proposed a
"survival" community that might be organized somewhere in the South
Seas.
But that was long ago and far away. As I get ever closer to my 9th
decade (which begins
within the next two years)...new adventures are still
intriguing..but I find that time is an
increasingly precious commodity..so I entertain them very
selectively.
This summer my wife and I will be touring in XYZXYZ,XYZXYZ XYZXYZ,.
After
our return at the end of August we'll be visiting friends and
relatives in XYZXYZ and
XYZXYZ until the beginning of September I
So.., although I'm planning to tour with my Lap Top in hand, but I'm
not counting on large
quantities of creative output for the summer.
Again. Thanks for he E-mails
Regards
XYZXYZ
444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444
Try it this it's very good
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Not Si-Fi
The Week That Was
November 20, 1999
http://www.sepp.org/weekwas/1999/Nov20.htm
NEW ON THE SEPP WEB:
Sea-level rise is probably the most-feared consequence of a putative global warming. But --- surprise,
surprise -- the science now says otherwise. SL will continue to rise for many thousands of years
more, no matter what we do! But greenhouse warming may slow it down somewhat. You may agree
after you read our essay; but how to convince the politicians?
WHAT ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE? IS IT REAL?
If you have read the essay on “New on the SEPP Web,” you already know the answer: Real but not
man-made. Relax and listen to scare stories:
From Dan Rather on CBS NEWS Monday, November 1,1999: Smith Island Is Drowning:
As the New Year approaches, CBS News is looking ahead to what you can expect in the 21st
century. Ten miles and a world away from Maryland's eastern shore lies a tiny, forgotten piece of
America, an old jewel poking out of the Chesapeake. But its days are numbered, because slowly but
surely, Smith Island is drowning.
The problem with Smith Island is that the water around it is rising. And to make matters worse, the land
is sinking. A strong high tide can easily swamp the island, which sits a mere two feet above sea level.
Smith Island may seem an unimportant relic of the past but in fact, it offers a disturbing glimpse into the
next millennium.
"Smith Island's a look ahead, it's a precursor of what we expect to happen to other islands in the future,
to other low lying islands," says coastal scientist Stephen Leatherman. Leatherman says the rising sea
level that's engulfing the island is a direct result of global warming. "We expect the possibility of as
much sea level rise as three feet over the next century," says Jerry Mahlman of the National Oceanic
& Atmospheric Administration.
The damage, according to some models, could be catastrophic: whole sections of South Florida, North
Carolina's Outer Banks, New Jersey's barrier islands, and even New Orleans, will be under water.
"This problem is a candidate to be the defining problem of the 21st century. In my view the only thing
that would make it not a leading candidate would be World War III," says Mahlman. Sea level rise is
just the beginning: Fueled by larger, warmer seas, scientists predict hurricanes will become more
intense.
There's more: Floods like the one that devastated Grand Forks, North Dakota, two years ago will be
more common. There'll be more heat waves, like the 1995 Chicago scorcher that took 700 lives.
"Philadelphia would be more like New Orleans," says Mahlman. "Where New Orleans would become
like I don't know what," he added.
**************
[SEPP web readers will not be surprised by Jerry's dire forecasts. And he is the government's leading
climate modeler!!]
*************
And now from a book review of Michael Grubb's "The Kyoto Protocol --- a Guide and an
Assessment'' by British enviro Aubrey Meyers, for whom Kyoto is not enough:
"Although global climate change raises dreadful problems that the Kyoto Protocol does little to address,
Michael Grubb's book hails it as a "remarkable achievement". This should be taken with a pinch of salt.
If you asked people from the Maldives what they felt about the Protocol, they'd probably say,
frightened about their lack of a future. They know that accumulating greenhouse gas emissions warm
the planet and expand the oceans and obliterate them, and God knows whom and what else. Their fears
have a message for us all: - this problem is global and needs a global solution. "Equity and survival"
sums it up. Everyone has to be in as no one is saved until everyone is saved.
****************
And now, for a little common sense in The Christian Science Monitor (Oct. 8, 1999):
Surprise theory behind big Antarctic thaw: Global warming isn't to blame. Ice field will shrink
regardless, threatening coasts.
Amid increasing evidence of global warming, scientists have pointed to thawing polar icecaps in
Antarctica and rising sea levels that threaten to flood low-lying islands the
world over as side effects of the planet heating up.
But new evidence from Antarctica published today in the journal Science indicates the thawing of at
least one major ice field is a natural event that has little to do with global warming.
Aside from challenging accepted theories behind global warming, these findings illustrate the
complexities that go along with predicting how the earth will react to high levels of fuel consumption
and deforestation, supposedly the two main causes of global warming.
At issue is the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. This frozen wasteland measures 360,000 square miles, an
area larger than Texas and Colorado combined. The WAIS is one of the largest ice sheets on the
planet, and for that reason, it could have an enormous effect on sea levels worldwide.
Unlike any other ice sheet, the WAIS is anchored to land below sea level what's known as a marine ice
sheet. Because of its ocean exposure and position on the sea floor, scientists say it is potentially
unstable and could be more affected by changes in sea level or ocean temperature than other ice fields.
Sure enough, the WAIS is changing faster than any other ice sheet. It has shrunk at a rate of about
400 feet per year during the past 7,600 years, according to the scientists.
All told, the WAIS has receded about 800 miles since the height of the last ice age, 10,000 years ago.
According to the researchers' calculations, the Western Antarctic ice shield could completely collapse
in the next 7,000 years.
I AM NOT BUYING OR BETTING ON THE DATE. ED
But the thawing of the WAIS long predates the period when mankind began to change the chemistry of
the atmosphere through fossil-fuel burning and deforestation. In fact, during most of the period of the
ice sheet's thaw, global temperatures were relatively stable. Furthermore, the pace at which the WAIS
is thawing has not appreciably sped up during the recent decades when global warming has really
begun to show up. This implies that global warming, at least so far, has little to do with the shrinking of
the WAIS.
"What we are suggesting is that the ice sheet may continue to retreat regardless of any global warming
or future rise in sea level." "Certainly warming up the oceans or expansion of the ocean could help the
ice sheet retreat more quickly," says Howard Conway, a University of Washington geophysicist and
lead author of the Science article.
But Dr. Conway also admits that the thawing will probably continue regardless of whether mankind
gets their global warming affairs in order. Alternatively, global warming could also make the ice fields
grow.
"With continued warming there might be increased precipitation down there which would feed the ice
sheet as well," says Conway, alluding to the scenarios that could all plausibly play out as a result of
global warming.
***************
Global Warming Not to Blame for Melting of Huge Ice Sheet
(By Associated Press, as reported in the NEW YORK TIMES on October 12, 1999)
WASHINGTON The huge West Antarctic Ice Sheet may be headed for a complete meltdown in a
process that a new study indicates was started thousands of years ago, and not as a result of global
warming or other changes brought on by humans.
But the future of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet "may have been predetermined when the grounding line
retreat was triggered in early Holocene time," which was about 10,000 years ago, according to a team
of scientists that was led by Dr. Howard Conway of the University of Washington in Seattle. They
reported their findings on Friday [Oct. 8] in the journal Science.
The grounding line is the boundary between floating ice and ice thick enough to reach the sea floor, and
the scientists found that line has receded about 800 miles since the last ice age, withdrawing at an
average of about 400 feet per year for the last 7,600 years.
Referring to the melting, Dr. Conway said, "It seems like the rate that been going on since the early
Holocene is similar to the rate right now." Dr. Conway said.
"Collapse appears to be part of an ongoing natural cycle, probably caused by rising sea level initiated by
the melting of the Northern Hemisphere ice sheets at the end of the last ice age." Dr. Conway added in
a telephone interview.
Continued shrinking of the ice sheet, perhaps even complete disintegration, "could well be inevitable,"
the report concluded.
According to estimates, the ice sheet's complete melting could raise the global sea level by 15 to 20
feet, swamping low-lying coastal communities worldwide. But, at the current rate of melting, that
would take about 7,000 years, the researchers estimated.
**************
Our problem now is to convince the politicians to pay attention to the science. We need your
help...
http://www.sepp.org/weekwas/1999/Nov20.htm
The Week That Was November 20, 1999
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Some say its hoplessly hoakey but I included The Venus project is beautifully presented.
its lots of fun seeing the human ego at its best
*************************** NEXT MORE ON THIS !!
2 miles thick with 1 mile deep cracks called fissures
its history is our history too ..
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If you think war, terrorism and man made problems like weapons drugs & oil are serious problems get
over it nothing can compare to the potential coming global Earth changes that may flood most of the earth
effecting all population's with 200 foot tides for the next 20,000 years.
And you thought radio active waist was "the big secret" accident waiting to happen. Forgedaboutit!! Nothing
short of a new paradigm regarding our use of resources and global cooperating on an unprecedented scale
will produce anything like a survivable world.
Check it out for your self read between the lines try to visualize the reality and what it means. Let go of
politics race religion and any thing you think you already know about the "big picture" all history is a lie
in time, there can be a world that is unified by the common struggle to be prepared to live together on
the earth in peace and common sense or continue the descent into chaos and defeatism of war and greed.
The so called face on mars is a projection of a desperate raciest
fantasy that extends to the delusion that no human of color can or
ever could do any thing " Great " like THE GREAT PYRAMID.
Adolph Hitler made the same assumption
about Jessie Owens and other Afro-genic
Olympians " Western man turns so often to
myth and out right fraud in order to face what
they can't except ." This would be a humorous
if not sad foot note of history, if not for the fact
as it is all too apparent, it is easier to lie about
previous spurious superior past civilizations
than to learn the lesson of there demise or
mythic fraudulent origins .
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++++ all of this was pree 911++++
XYZXYZ wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: XYZXYZ
To: XYZXYZ
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Wow ! Under Antarctica, Clues to an Icecap's Fate
might be the actual end of all human life ...
Thanks XYZXYZ.
It was grate talking with you such a positive energy... Wow !
Clearing the desk and gearing up I need at least a week ...
Preparing for the 18th ... etc .
Be well please keep in touch ....
That radio x ray satellite or one like it ( by NASA Landsat ) is in
one scenario responsible for the closing down of the cold war... It sees
atomic subs under Polar ice & Beer cans in the deepest ocean trench ...
Some 3 Card Mountie action ...
A very simple B/W image on the cover of Science mag 8 or 10 years ago
with a follow up apology to that DOD the following month regarding any
breach of security concerns ..
Oops !
Be well
XYZXYZ
1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
__________________________________________
Dear XYZXYZ,
We seem to be on the same wavelength.
A review of my files has turned up a couple of reasonable
technnologies that have the capability of creating very large, floating
foundations which, in aggregate, have the capabilities of:
a: being infinitely expandable
b. remaining stable, even in high seas (immune to wave motion)
c. responding to short and long-term changes in water depth (due
to tides, ice deposition from the East and or/West Antactica
depositions of ice or other major sources of such changes.)
These foundations can be used as bases upon which a series of
individual buildings can be constructed within an extended time frame
The technologies referenced provide four useful functions:
1. A means for establishing a peripheral barrier that can serve
effectively as a 360 degree breakwater that can function during,
before or after water level changes.
2. A means for establishing a stable platform from which
appropriate buoys and weights can be launched for the activation of
mechanisms for generating electrical power from wave action.
3. A means for fabricating large, rigid platforms that can be
used as individual building foundations.
4. A means for supporting those platforms so that they will
remain planar..i.e. will not impart any twisting moments to structures
erected upon them
I'm clearly interested in your project. Do let me know how, if
and when I can help and what
basis for my participation you may have in mind.
Regards,
XYZXYZ
2222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222
__________________________________________
XYZXYZ wrote:
Dear XYZXYZ,
An interesting conversation this evening that I look forward to
continuing.
Your remarks about Antarctica raised my curiosity. Found an article
in the NY Times: October 16,1999 that rounds out your thesis in disturbing detail.
If you haven't already put in in your files, you can download it from
The phrases that really surprised and disturbed me most:
"Geothermal and volcanic heating as well as atmospheric warming apparently
maintain a layer of liquid water and mud between the ice sheet and underlying
rock, allowing the ice to slide fairly freely ( The
italics are mine).
While XYZXYZ's remark about a city floating in the air sounded
funny, I seem to recall that Bucky Fuller actually proposed that such a structure
of great enough size and covered by an appropriate transparent membrane could
indeed be supported by atmospheric pressure since the greenhouse effect would
provide a net displacement of ambient air by the solar-heated atmosphere beneath
that membrane.
Do keep me posted.
Regards,
XYZXYZ
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
__________________________________________
XYZXYZ wrote:
Dear XYZXYZ,
Fascinating Stuff on this new light-weight carbon material. My
three year old grandson and I have been having fun playing with the
wonderful animated models on Soda.
The Venus project is beautifully presented.
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
I was much involved with another intentional community program back
in the early sixties.
I was living in ( XYZXYZ.) XYZXYZ appeared on BBC one evening and
proposed a "survival" community that might be organized somewhere in
the South Seas.
But that was long ago and far away. As I get ever closer to my 9th
decade (which begins within the next two years)...new adventures are still
intriguing..but I find that time is an increasingly precious commodity..so I
entertain them very selectively.
This summer my wife and I will be touring in XYZXYZ,XYZXYZ XYZXYZ,.
After our return at the end of August we'll be visiting friends and relatives in
XYZXYZ and XYZXYZ until the beginning of September I
So.., although I'm planning to tour with my Lap Top in hand, but I'm
not counting on large quantities of creative output for the summer.
Again. Thanks for he E-mails
Regards
XYZXYZ
444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444
++++
This is not mine but it is possibly of interest
it's anti nuke with a twist ...
Subject: From their reactors to kids mouths?
Also check out other Nuke Info...
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This issue was as horrendous as it was stupid !
NIRS: 1999 Radioactive Metal Recycling ALERT public comment deadline 7/5/99
CMEP: Rad Metal 2/98 Update
Public Citizen's Critical Mass Energy Project
Hello All:
We are happy to report that the US Environmental Protection Agency received just over 150 letters in response to their proposal to allow
the reuse of radioactive metal for consumer products. Only one or two of those comments were from companies. The majority of the letters
told EPA that consumers do not want any radioactivity in their products. This is an amazing show of our cohesiveness on this issue--
considering we only had 3 very busy holiday months to organize. Way to go!
EPA is in the process of analyzing the letters and will determine if they will go
forward with a formal rulemaking process within two months.
EPA has admitted that the number of negative comments will influence this decision.
Furthermore EPA is still taking comments despite the formal closure of the comment period on January 31 1998.
Therefore we should not let up on our pressure to prevent the release of this harmful metal into the public realm.
Please continue to send comments to John Karhnak john.karhnak@epamail.epa.gov. Please also copy your letter to me
Jessica Vallette (vallette@citizen.org).
Keep up the excellent work!
Direct your comments or questions:
Public Citizen's Critical Mass Energy Project
215 Pennsylvania Avenue, SE
Washington DC 20003
phone: 202-546-4996 fax: 202-547-7392
E-mail: cmep@citizen.org
HomePage: http://www.citizen.org/cmep/
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This is not mine but it is possibly of interest it's anti nuke with a twist ...
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